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Child-of-Light · Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 171

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rph · Banned Joined: 10 May 2008 Posts: 120

>But that is a very clever attempt but I'm still not buying it.

CoL

You are in a difficult situation. I have demonstrated to you personally my goodwill but you seem to have difficulty reconciling your subsequent freedom with your beliefs

Cheers

R

Child-of-Light · Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 171

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rph · Banned Joined: 10 May 2008 Posts: 120

CoL

No doubt you recall the saying: No honour amongst thieves.

If this is true for humans then I expect it is also true for non-humans. You may therefore consider that the dark forces are not unified and therefore that there are various opportunistic dark groups and demigods interested in the Earth.

>through implants or genetics (possibly both)

Some of the implants are etheric and others seem to have an ability to dodge out of the way of the scalpel

As for the genetics there is a story that about 12 alien groups cooperated in assembling human genetics but one group played a trick on the others by ensuring that its genetics would dominate - hence making humans particularly susceptible to its agendas.

There was however no honour amongst thieves and all 12 groups did the same thing.

>hidden all the asscention technology

That is a rather materialistic statement. There are more profound issues than that. For example that the human race was established on Earth in darkness as an experiment to see if it could develop superior spiritual skills when blind to the inner worlds.

>Your order has not cleaned house of the despicable ones who are now probably under the influence of other astral races

There are more issues to be dealt with than astral races but the Solar System and therefore the Earth are making major steps forward and soon to accelerate.

You can see early signs in the determination of humans to take responsibility for stewardship of the Earth's ecosystems. More steps will follow in the coming decade

Be of good cheer

R

rph · Banned Joined: 10 May 2008 Posts: 120

CoL

In reference to your depiction of the Master Mason. The general statements there are fair enough except to note that the true Master Mason is not the capstone for the heavenly temples but rather one of the forms of cement that assist them to be coherent living and immense beings

How would a true MM accomplish that?

Cheers

R

Cliff Huylebroeck · Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject:

Why does Morals and Dogma say nothing about Jaobulon?

What's the problem with Jesus/Mah-hah-bone? Is there a relation with Jaobulon?

"Whether you swear or take God's name in vain don't matter so much. Of course the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, as you know, don't amount to anything, but Mah-hah-bone--O, horror! You must never, on any account, speak that awful name aloud. That would be a most heinous crime--unmasonic--unpardonable."

(Edmond Ronayne, "Masonic Handbook," page 184)

Child-of-Light · Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 171

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Cliff Huylebroeck · Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject:

I don't understand how the freemasons can claim that they can worship Jahwe, that freemasonry is not incompatible with the catholic church if there are so many indications of the opposite:

The official stance of the catholic church is that "the church and freemasonry cannot exist together, one of them has to die."
There's a clear difference between the old and new testament. In the old testament Jahwe is a God of War, the God of the Jews, while the Jews are Jahwe's people. In the new testament Jesus says that Jahwe is a God of Love, and also the God of the heathens (non-Jews).
The catholic church is a religion of Light, they worship God publicly. If Jahwe is worshipped in secret then it is considered as a sort of devil.

If a freemason is a non-Jew and he rejects Jesus, then Jahwe can't be his God. So it would only make sense when a Jew becomes a freemason, which is clearly not the case.

I see only one conclusion, as you said: if Jahwe is worshipped in secret then it is an interpretation of a devil.

Child-of-Light · Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 171

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rph · Banned Joined: 10 May 2008 Posts: 120

>I don't understand how the freemasons can claim that they can worship Jahwe,

As far as I know Freemasons do not claim that. The best you might manage is a misguided variation in the jumble of higher degrees

> that freemasonry is not incompatible with the catholic church

You may like to distinguish between the church and the clergy. The sacraments as established make it pretty clear that it is hard to get to heaven unless the clergy help you.

> 1. The official stance of the catholic church is that "the church and freemasonry cannot exist together, one of them has to die."

That is their choice for their own reasons.

> 2. There's a clear difference between the old and new testament. In the old testament Jahwe is a God of War, the God of the Jews, while the Jews are Jahwe's people. In the new testament Jesus says that Jahwe is a God of Love, and also the God of the heathens (non-Jews).

Would you like to point out any translations of the NT where Jesus refers to Jahwe?

Jahwe by his own account is a vengeful god jealous of other gods. Human follow him at their peril.

> 3. The catholic church is a religion of Light

Gosh. Perhaps a reading of the history of the Middle Ages might be valuable.

I was brought up a Catholic.

> If Jahwe is worshipped in secret then it is considered as a sort of devil.

I don't know who worships Jahwe in secret but it probably fair consider him a blood thirsty devil - judging by the OT accounts of his commands.

>If a freemason is a non-Jew and he rejects Jesus, then Jahwe can't be his God.

I have met plenty of Christian Masons but never heard any of them mention Jahwe.

>I see only one conclusion, as you said: if Jahwe is worshipped in secret then it is an interpretation of a devil.

Fortunately he has not been seen for a long time.

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Child-of-Light · Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 171

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