Bilderberg.org

[CJ]

The last post gives a link to the "Economist"....I used to read the Economist, in fact I did so for years, until I got wise. When you`ve chatted to investment bank CEO`s, you get a very good idea as to why the world is the way it is....most people are in work, credit is cheap and there is a perception of increasing wealth (for most its false).

I don`t know who "rothschild desmarais" is, so I haven`t got an axe to grind, and as I stated before, we need more people posting on this forum....however, I always get worried when anyone starts forming their perspective using large tracts from the MSM. Sure, take some MSM and pull it to bits, ask yourself why am I being lectured with this message....look for what the MSM miss out...look for priority, understand that most current affairs and polictical journalists are trained and briefed by the SIS. I have no doubt the editor of the Economist is MI6...enough said for now.

[CJ]

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/190407resolve.htm

If this link is true.....and a "10 kiloton" nuke were detonated in a built-up area, its going to remain local...contained. But enough for the NWO to set course and script agenda. Read the link below, note the second comment by "Bill Badger".

http://alexandertheaverage.blogspot.com/2005/06/houston-we-have-problem-exploring.html

Thats right, keep it local.

Remember, this is exactly the "igniton event" required by the NWO to further their sick agenda....Europe, US, Middle East, where will it happen?

Oh yeh, please watch the video!

[CJ]

US issues hightened terror threat for Germany....especially for US troops stationed there!

[samuel]

Kissinger are now trying to deflate the military option.

In the National Interest (nixon center) they believe the option is not viable since in 2-3 years Iran will face an economic downturn because of too little investment in their oil production facility and also a political crisis in 3-5 years over corruption promess they didn't met(carnegie council for ethics in international affair analyst). Alos at press conference a journalist has challenged economic policy of ahmadinejad and student protest disrupting recent speeches ending-up in al-jazeera.

They don't have enough special forces and CIA operatives who can work effectively inside iran borders. Their combat effectiveness is rated as low as 55%.

Also they believe hizbullah would create much turmoil in South america and africa and in Irak they would be able to disrupt supply lines in the south of Bagdhad.

Loyalist of both Sadr and Abdul aziz al-hakim (expected to challenge maliki presidenship soon) are the most prominent chiites to respond against US.
(BERG associates and ex-CIA op + ex-DIA global ressources group consulting firm ).

UN ambassador of Iran said that western countries could jointly own and jointly operate them and Russia first deputy press secretary expect that the program is of entirely peacefull use.

The risk of exposure reduce the likelihood of the regime handing off nukes to terrorists (foreign affair man-edit).

But Eurasia group Bremmer believe they will try to facilitate a nuclear OPEC. Which is not a problem since there is a shortage of uranium for 5 years, a more collective approach such as OPEC could help maybe give a political voice to the sector, giving some time to address issue not on the table right now, that should be. He also say carrier in the region only feeds the problem by giving ahmadinejad tv coverage to respond to this.


Arnold saltzman institute's Mr. Betts believe pakistan likelihood of a coup by islamist is more worrying and north korea too.

Both are surviving with the help of China. iran is more independant.

Bremmer's also evaluate sanctions, saying individuals directly involved in iran's nuclear program and financial transactions in dubai could work according to state department.

Gvosdev (ed of National Interest) believe that a large scale attack in irak by sunni's or in afghanistan's north east Khan provinces as big as mumbai bombing could provoke enough anger to disrupt diplomatic ties.

Still the priority for the region is energy independance and diversification such as the one Poutine is trying to do.
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[CJ]

Sorry Samuel, but the CIA/MI6 and Mossad have been in Iran for years. What purpose does it serve for Kissinger to mouth off? Maybe Kissinger is down playing the role of the Jewish lobby, maybe he`s setting a good distance between all that hard lobbying and the final false flag attack and the NWO strike against Iran.

I`m sorry, but I don`t agree with any of this apart from the last bit about trouble in Iraq and so on...if this happens, the NWO will love it.

[CJ]

The United States of Amerika has a long standing policy of not talking to terrorists, or to nations which sponsor terrorism. The US government has a long history of accusing Iran of being a sponsor of terror, including the backing of alledged insurgents in Iraq.

Now it appears the US government is about to hold meetings with Iran in Baghdad...could this be a trap?

[Dragon]

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/

There will be no war with Iran. Likely that there was a plan to have one, and if you click on the link above you will see the image of the Iranian leader with the hard to pronounce and spell name giving the two-fingered Satanic salute.

They had their man in place, all along, a man who would make provactive statements, host a holocaust convention, build or go through the motions of building a nuclear facility. It was all theatre, but the war is a Broadway play that closed before opening night. There will be no war because they are not able to do it now.

Plan A failed, and there is no Plan B. There won't be a war against Iran, it is no longer possible. So now they have to scramble around and try to save face and gradually accept the realization that they cannot hold Iraq.

I tried to copy the photo here, but the machine wouldn't accept it. Scroll down and see the two-fingered salute. Says all you need to know about Ahmadinejad.

Dragon
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[CJ]

Hi Dragon. In previous posts in this thread I`ve postulated that the elected leader of Iran is a NWO asset. However, I still believe that some form of attack will take place. because the real power in Iran are the religious leaders. The second reason for an attack, is that Israel won`t allow Iran to aquire nukes...dispite the fact that Iran has two nukes already. The third reason, is the long game...the longer Iran remains out of direct NWO control, the stronger its ties will become with Russia and China. The forth reason, is again connected to the long game. this is a game of pure survival...oil is depleting, so we have a land/oil grab and the US/NWO knows that time is on their side, but its running very short.

Iran, like Iraq and the war on terror has been 15-20 years in the planning. The situation in Iraq looks like its hard to take on Iran. If I`d predicted our history since 2001 and warned you in 1997 what was going to happen, you`d have laffed at me...David Icke predicted whats taken place and no one listened....

....one major false flag attack, or a combination of attacks blamed on Iran and there will be action...remember....the French military are now available...Sarkozy the Jew...as the yanks said in Washington..."our man is in"!

[samuel]

Sarkozy must first get involved with irak and afghanistan more seriously first or else he will lose all the credibility he needs for reforming unions.

Still if segolene doesn't get involved in these topics like she doesn't accept a single defeat, it could rapidly give sarko the space to be taken by extreme views such as the energy war with russia and china.

But even this must be seen in the prism of doha trade round.
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[CJ]

A site called "GlobalResearch", claims the final laws are now in place for a US dictatorship...should the US suffer a national emergancy/terrorist attack. If this were to happen in the next 18 months, Bush will become dictator for life and while I`m at it, there is talk about railway rolling stock designed to move people, basic narrow cars (rolling stock) with bench seating....us NWO troublemakers?? This talk ties in with the REX-84 program (google) and recent funding for an extention these detention facilities in the US.

[Dragon]

The prison boxcars story has been around for at least five years. So have stories about the detention camps. REX-84 is real, but it goes back many years. One of their pieces they put in place as they do long range planning. Even if never used, it serves as a mis-direct and a fear stimulant.

The detention camps list has been floating around for years. I see some frightened individual post this story as if it was news about once every six months, maybe less. It is almost always the same list.

In my work, I drove over almost all of Arizona and was able to check out the detention center locations for our state. The camps do not exist. Some of the sites are Japanese POW camps, that may, and the key word is may, be reactivated it says on the list. The one closest to me on the Indian reservation was on a list of tourist attractions. No one has ever come forward with actual photos of camps in other states. They can be assumed to be as non-existant as the ones in Arizona.

Someone, or a group of someones, put forth the idea that what is coming for America will be a replay of what they did in Germany. The purveyors of fearful dreams, and the ones who believe these fearful ideas do not see the velvet chains that even now hold them in bondage.

We are long past the point where it is needful or necessary to round up whole populations, or segments of populations, and put them in German-style labor camps. That is cumbersome, non-productive, and might wake up the sleeping masses. What is actually happening is that they are turning the whole country into a concentration camp. All but a tiny fraction of the people are in debt slavery right now, with no chance of ever getting free. An incredibly large number are in prison for violation of drug laws or are innocents who were railroaded by a corrupt system. Concentration camps are inefficient and expensive. Let the masses roam about and believe they are free, as they pay for their own incarceration. Why build prisons when you can get them to volunteer to buy their own, a quarter million dollar gulag they'll never pay off.

The news is controlled like nothing you guys in Europe would ever believe. The education system has dumbed us down from Number One in 1960 to somewhere near the bottom of the list, 46 or some awful figure like that.

Make a wave, join a protest, and you get on the no-fly list. Anyone here can be arrested on suspicion, mere suspicion, of being a terrorist. Once that label has been affixed, you have no rights at all.

All is not going well in the camp of the dark side devils, though. The war against Iran, even with their man in power, is a non-event now. They are at a loss for a back-up plan because the darksiders are no longer a cohesive force. There are struggles among various factions for power, oil, and territory. Alliances are made and then betrayed in service of the agenda that was hidden as they were made.

It is like the Mafia families of New York, played out on the world stage. When any one family leader is seen to be weak, the others make sure he is removed. Bush is weak, and no longer useful to his puppeteers. He is allowed to posture and pretend, as plans are being made for the post-Bush America. It is a drama that keeps the masses enthralled. We wait to see who will resign or be indicted next, hoping that at some point Bush and Cheney will go down. Meanwhile, the replacement wanna-bes are already out campaigning, the earliest this has ever happened. All this, as the velvet chains bind us ever more securely.

Seen from a larger perspective,there are plans within plans, and struggles within struggles. Cosmically speaking, earth is contested territory and that battle is being fought even as you read this. Here on the planet, another struggle is going on, the struggle for control of the United States. The US has always been a colony, never a nation in the sense that England or France are, or were, nations. Here in the US, as the land was settled, parts of it were under Territorial Rule until as late as 1912, when Arizona was admitted into the Union.

As a territory, the rule of law was pretty thin, and the land and its people were open for exploitation by any force strong enough to do it. So it is that now, on the world scene, the United States and indeed, the whole of the West, is seen as weak and vulnerable. And the US is now contested territory. All the money we printed up to pay for oil and wars over the last forty-plus years is now coming home to us, buying up resources and production facilities. Soon we will be serfs in the land we once owned, much as life is now in third world countries.

We are being overrun by foreign capital at the top, and Mexican nationals occupy our lands. You in Europe, your fate is to be overrun by capital at the top, and in time, Islamists will occupy your land.

That is, until the Chinese decide they want it.

Dragon
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http://question-ouverte.france2.fr/

Tony Blair 's interview , very interesting!

[CJ]

Dragon.

I did not say REX-84 was new....but new funding was made available last year and I`ve no doubt that rail delivery systems were in place for the old REX-84 program...all I was doing was reporting that other concerned humans, were talking about these unusual rail cars. Its disappointing that posters like yourself take so much trouble pointing out that something is old...when some of us understand that important messages need to be re-highlighted/repeated often, because many people are sadly new and uninformed. I saw your post on peak oil, but couldn`t be bothered to reply.

[CJ]

US moves two carrier groups into the Persian Gulf for naval manovers....this is akin to me sitting in my bath with several toy boat, they will hit the sides and each other! Don`t blink, our world could change faster than you think.

[Dragon]

Didn't mean that as a put-down, CJ. Rex-84 is old, and what that means is that if they haven't used it by now, they probably won't. It is useful as an instrument of fear, probably more so than as an instrument of policy. Heaven knows there have been enough laws and decrees since then to let them anything they want.

In actual fact, some say that we've been under martial law with the constitution suspended and a corporate government in place since the days of Abraham Lincoln. Their argument seems to be sound.

There are laws on top of laws, and for those guys the laws are like the tools in a tool box. They can reach in and pick out which one or ones they decide to use at any given opportunity. It makes for flexibility of action on their part.

Rex-84 or Rex-85 or Rex-2007, it really doesn't matter. The point is that they have enough laws to do to us whatever they want. What we here at Z-Force Group like to concentrate on is ways of fighting them. We have been quite successful at it for a few years now, and are looking for action-oriented, determined individuals to do in Europe what we have done here in the States.

The carriers in the Gulf may indeed be a problem. If it is going to happen at all, it will be this Memorial Day weekend. The oil markets are not anticipating a war, so that's a good sign.

Another good sign is this story that appeared on CNN, dated 23 May:

Wednesday, May 23, 2007
U.S. may negotiate with Iraqi insurgents
-- U.S. officials said Wednesday that a "joint campaign plan redesign team" is preparing a new diplomatic and military strategy for Iraq, which is expected to be approved by the end of the month.

The team, led by Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker, is laying out a new course for how to proceed in the four-year-old war, the officials told CNN.

One element of the plan is to try to identify groups of people -- including possibly Sunni extremists and militia groups -- with whom U.S. officials feel they can do business, such as negotiating power-sharing and cease-fire agreements and granting economic aid, the sources said.

But those with whom officials feel they cannot do business -- such as determined suicide bombers -- will remain targets of military forces, the sources said.

The officials cited an inability to maintain current troop levels into the summer as a reason for the changed course.

"We have been focused too long on defeating the enemy," one official said. "We need to bring them to the negotiating table."

The announcement is an acknowledgment that the traditional war-fighting stance of trying to capture or kill all insurgents is failing, that the country may have devolved into a civil war, and that the only way to proceed is to use military force sparingly and attempt to bring many insurgents into the fold.

-- CNN Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr

It is important to understand the global warming and peak oil are hoaxes. Know your enemy, as Sun Tzu taught us. You cannot fight them or prevent being victimized by them if you do not understand their objectives and methods.

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