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[CJ]

Dragon

You are an American, so let me run this by you. Suppose that the US and for that matter, the rest of the Western world suffers an economic crash of similar proportions to 1929....consider, that most Americans in 1929 weren`t personally debted up like they are today, consider these "soft" Americans with their consumer "I want, I can have mentality" and the fix comes to an end!

I wonder how many debt collectors get shot outside clients homes and how many police get wasted as the attend the crime scene....how many dads waste their families....In Australia, there is drought and about 4 farmers a month are committing suicide. The financial realities of life today in our debt, debt culture, is anarchy in waiting. In the US, the public are armed to the teeth.

I suspect that if another crash were to happen, martial law would be up and running is a very short time. Imagine a world where no accepts the Dollar, mass unemployment, food rationing and curfew.

I can see these US concentration camps filling up...suppose the inmate lists are based on income/assets v personal debt....will this get you on the list. Or will it just be the plain unemployed?

[Dragon]

Valid questions, CJ, and we've discussed them among ourselves many times.

The crash of '29 was for the purpose of turning America into a socialist state, Soviet style. It didn't work. I think that one of the main reasons it did not work was that the majority of Americans were not more than one generation removed from the farm. Back in those Norman Rockwell type days, most everyone had relatives still living in the country. A source of food and refuge for city dwellers, and a source of independent food supply for the rural population.

I moved to Dallas, Texas back in 1964. As big as it was, there was still the feel of an overgrown home town. So many of the people living there then were from the rural areas and had relatives back in the smaller towns and on the farm. Those days are gone!

What happens now, if there is a crash, 1929 style? If they let that happen, I think that things will get out of control for them very soon, and the outcome will be in doubt. Mainly because, as you pointed out, the average American is well armed. So, as rotten as our system is, and way past time for overhaul, they do not dare let chaos loose. And they don't have the police force to drag us all off to prison. So, as I said, they have turned the country into one gigantic prison.

I am well aware of the situation in Australia. It is an induced drought, something they tried here and almost succeeded. The chemtrail spraying was all over the place, inducing drought and disease until a small band of us got together in 2001 and began to build cloudbusters. The drought is still on in some parts of the country, but in places where Z-Force Group has strong influence, the drought is over.

There is, or was, a band of cloudbuster builders in Oz, but I have lost contact with them, and they never were very effective due to lack of leadership. I am hoping to stir some interest among the readers here so that they will use the proven methods of dissolving chemtrails and bringing the weather back to normal.

I understand that the Bilderbergers are the focus of this group, but it all ties together. The drought in Oz and the chemtrails and funny money and domestic surveillance all have a common, Bilderberger, source. So it is that I tell you that there are things you all can do, y'all being right there where the Beast makes its home. Things you can do to disrupt and un-nerve them. May not be as dramatic as what Flash did at their emergency meeting, but very, very effective, just the same. Anyone who wishes more information, please contact me:

captaindragonfarstar@yahoo.com

I have a theory, an idea, about how this American funny money drama will play out. There is no way that all this debt can ever be redeemed. It will have to be repudiated at some point in time. They may leave the Chinese holding the bag, so to speak.

I see a return to the gold standard. But not like it was in the pre-FDR days. I see two types of gold; commodity gold, as for jewelry, and monetary gold. Monetary gold at a fixed price, controlled circulation. Only so much will be let out as a medium of exchange. The fiat money will be redeemed at pennies on the dollar, if at all. And maybe not immediately redeemable, even at that. The Chinese with their bazillion dollars on deposit may find that it will just have to sit there until the currency controllers can absorb a portion of it. The Chinese will scream like a wounded mess cook, but they can't--at least right now--project a military force to demand payment.

This is all assuming that the darksiders have time to make their plans and dreams come true. Their plan was to have total control by the beginning of the 21st century. They planned to put the capstone on the pyramid at midnight and years ago had already invited Bush Sr. to be there.

For reasons I have not yet discovered, the capstone never was put into place. So, their plans were already behind schedule and being thwarted, I suppose, by some outside force.

Since our group got into the fight in 2001, we have speeded up the process of dissolution of their dreams. They are in deep trouble right now, as they are running out of time and running scared. More on this later, maybe.

Right now, there are things that you all can do to speed the NWO dissolving process along. Get started, before you wind up in the same situation as Australia.

Dragon
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[samuel]

With the derivatives market now running everything like a casino even life insurance...

Too many people are involved in this to make it easy for any genocidal group to impose a financial crisis that would involve the carry trade of japan, the oil central banks reserves, the leveraged private equity buy-out.

For the chemtrails, rfid and airwave mind manipulation, it is mostly seen as a toy for the stupid who can't invent better technologies to serve better the consumers.

Kissinger's associate are promoting joint military mission with china and telecom free-trade agreement with russia..

The up-beat generated by proteomics, nanotech discoveries still represent a more important subject in elitist circles.

But human being human, you are right to doubt..you prevent a comeback to cynical thinking that justify snobism that would spread to bigger forum of scientific value.
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[mgrgreen]

I have no doubt the US administration would like to attack Iran, but the political reality here is it just won't sell. Both parties are coming into elections soon, and the republicans who lost big because of Bush's mis-management won't let him do anything more. The democrats are all over him in an attempt to gain political power.

I don't see anything happening here to attack Iran until Bush leaves office.

[adminus]

This war is fully planned. You only have to wait for the false-flag-op, another bay of tonkin or so. It'll come.

The US is so kaputt (financially and morally), they are against the wall with their backs. The only way to continue 'the American way' is to find a casus belli and wage war. That disturbs.
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[CJ]

Here are a couple of excellent links. There are some who believe the Iran war is off. Its good that these interested people forward these views. I do hope these views are independent and aren`t being forwarded to distance future NWO actions from extensive longterm planning. I see these stories which suggest the Iran war is all off, followed by NWO false flag attack[s] which could (likely) lead to a rapid escalation in the Middle East. Gordon Brown has already indicated that there will be no change in policy.


http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=105022


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5791

[CJ]

I saw this in todays London Evening Standard.

"Republicans: We won`t rule out Iran nuke strike

Republican candidates in the race for the US presidency stepped up pressure on Iran by warning it must be stopped from developing atomic weapons---even if a tactical nuclear strike was needed. At a debate in New Hampshire (considered the key selection state) yesterday. Ruolph Giuliani, former mayor of New York, said: "You shouldn`t take any options off the table." Duncan Hunter, a California Republican added that as president he would "authorise the use of tactical nuclear weapons" if there was no other way to stop the development of Iran`s nuclear programme."

Dick Cheney signed off nuclear strike plans against Iran over three years ago.

Giulliani and Hunter are "no hopers"...so here they are providing that vital "normalizing" function", so when it happens, no one is supprised, the public have already been conditioned.

As I`ve said in this thread, only some form of nuke can get the job done and even then, its not a sure thing. Bush has from now until November....well, thats if you believe Bush cares about who will follow him into the Whitehouse and thats if he leaves at all!

[samuel]

They have invested so much ressources in the derivatives market, now they wait for chinese investors to get in.

But the chinese government want to wait for 6 mth, maybe a year before permitting this.

So the bilderberg force china by doing pretty much nothing with unbundling energy monopoly in europe and agriculture subsidy between us-eu.

But they just did something, they are proud of it: US will submit to international accounting rules. And china is still putting pressures on the shanguai market to slow down excess pricing of public utilities.

And Murdoch must find it pretty difficult to deal with all the people at dow jones.
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[CJ]

Samuel

How is this conected to this thread at this point, or is your post just to cover my post? Its not that I mind people posting, far from it. But I think posts should attempt some sort of continuation of the topic.

I know the global economic picture is very important, but my Davos thread would be a better place to post economic stuff, or start your own thread...

...I could become paranoid!

[samuel]

ah the same problem comes up again..

Every thread can go many ways, but the need of its creator can't sustain the pressure by readers who get inspiration for something else.

Short traders have such a weight these days, i tend to believe they are strong enough to impose their need for the consumers to become highly proactive, this help to lower fees.

So as long as we make politics in our free-time, they will remain against a war.

But still they want you to search for important information of strategic utility, so they won't believe my opinion is usefull.

They like being manipulative, and it goes faster when its a secret.
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[CJ]

samuel

I agree that threads wander off in all sorts of directions and there are finance posts buried in this thread. Your latest post connects finance to war, but your prior post did not. I don`t expect, or want to control any thread on this forum.

You can touch on many topics in one post. but posters should attempt tp set their posts in some sort of context to the openning or last post. Following your argument, we`d have one gigantic thread with no direction.

In reply to your last post: financial arguments are important, but "time" and "timing" are some of the most difficult things to get right.

This month, US forces are expected to peak at 170,000 in Iraq, yet, one US general said last week that US forces control only one third of Baghdad and little else. So following "X" number of weeks of air strikes on Iran, these forces could soon be marching towards Iran. When you get minor no-hoper Republican presidential cabdidates saying they`ll nuke Iran on US wide media and just to stop a "centrifuge" from spinning, then you know the US public are being prepared.

Turkish forces have entered Northern Iraq to take on PKK units, but Turkish forces have been massing for sometime and could easily move on Iran. The US has two carrier groups on location and two more a little further out which can be called on at short notice, 35,000 men in Afghanistan, 170,000 in Iraq, two CIA rebel forces at around 50-70,000 men and what ever Turkey can contribute. Turkey has one of the largest armies in the world, so lets be conservative and say 100,000 men. So thats a fighting force of over 350,000!

You could argue that Bush will need martial law up and running before Iran kicks off. False flag terror attacks would do this and provide the excuse to strike Iran. I think its going to be at least 3 coordinated attacks. one in the US, one in Europe and the other is anyones guess. This week we`ve had the police stopping petrol tankers entering London....darn, now why didn`t one of the 2000 terrorists wandering Britain think of that idea two months ago??????


Maybe there should be a policeman in every tanker cab texting in codes every 10 minutes! We are being prepared.

[samuel]

I agree the tightness of the consumer price index vs output-growth does make relevant any military operation on a country not investing enough to improve supply.

Still, special forces and CIA are not prepared enough to sustain the high level of stress this would create in central asia, and then when they will be...the recession might be over and people will slowly become again complacent about consuming credits.

So the main problem is subsidy going to middle-class and low-tax rate to hedge-funds that are not problematic by themself since competing countries are striving to make sure they are the best even though everyone is as human as the other , but they both are ideologicaly driven tools to sustain a class-war.

They did it with less ressources before, i agree. But so many people are trying to sort out of the credit bubble, the last thing they need is to see the level of dialogue comeback to its coldwar level.

They know ahmadinejad will face revolt in 2 years because of mismanagement of oil money.
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[TonyGosling]

It does seem that because of an impasse over Iran the forces of darkness have turned their attention to clamping down on civil liberties in the West.

The price of victory in averting this summer's war.

[CJ]

I attempted to post this earlier, but my laptop was taken out by the dark forces!

On 7th July the USS Enterprise slipped her berth in Norfolk Verginia...she`s heading for the Persian Gulf!!

Big voice in Israel says time for Iran strike running out! In the US, Republicans and Democrats call for Iraq withdrawal from Iraq and Turkey masses 150,000 plus troops on Iraq border to "so say" fight the Kurdish PKK....left turn and into Iran?

Even the latest NWO terror scams in London`s Haymarket and at Glasgow airport illustrate the NWO`s potential for massive terror which could justify an attack on Iran.

[CJ]

Bush does not agree with the "National Intelligence Estimate" report....of course he wouldn`t. Al-Qaeda now as strong as it was before 9/11!

The public version of this report suggests that Al-Qaeda is attempting to commit new acts of terror in the US....this is Al-Qaeda in Iraq....who`s backing the insurgents in Iraq? Iran of course! The NWO will allow you to join the dots at a later date.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6903056.stm

As Tony reports on the main page. A veiled green light has been given. Reports suggest Cheney is badgering Bush for action against Iran. Much of this is contradictory. But its there, so there must be some sort of motive. If Isreal does attack Iran, it will escalate into a shattering global experience and all that has happened in the last few weeks suggests terror attacks in several locations. The Public are being prepared.