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[Bondi]

willow you are still missing it.

Freemasonry = 3°s and the Holy Royal Arch

Schroders = 3°s and is a copy of Freemasonry by the German, not the same

Rite of Grand lodge of Germany = 10°s

Department of Masters = 1°

Higher Degress (Holland only) = 1° and 3 historic degrees

Worshipful Society of Freemasons = 7°s

Royal Order of Scotland = 3°s

Scotch rite = 33°s

Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite = 33°s

Ancient and Accpepted Rite = 33°s

Royal and Select Masters = 4°s

Mark Master Mason = 1° ( in some places done in two)

Masonic Orders of the Temple and of St. John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes, and Malta = 2°s I think, might be 3

Red Cross of Constantine = 3°s

Rite of Memphis-Misraïm = 99°s

And theres loads more.

Some are recognised as masonic and are open to Freemasons to join.

Some are considered irregular and Freemasons are actually not allowed to join because they are not considered masonic.

The structure is confusing I grant you that, Chronilogically Mark Master would be between the 2° and 3°'s of Freemasonry with Holy Royal Arch coming after.

The other orders/rites lack a few fundamental things which are required for them to be Freemasonry 1) non faith specific, 2) the hiramic legend

Freemasonry is the first 3 degrees and the Holy Royal Arch. Upon completion of Freemasonry, a Freemason then, if they wish, has the choice or opportunity to join other organisations. In basic terms someone who is a 32° is a 32° of the Ancient and Accepted Rite, not a 33° of Freemasonry.

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[Mike Martin]

[willow the wip]

[Mike Martin]

[willow the wip]

not nessersary

for examle Forest D Haggard who wrote the Clergy and the Craft was a master mason, as was Manley P Hall also was a master mason as was Frances Bacon.
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[willow the wip]

Joseph Fort Newton I know about him, Means I know about him, their are plently of history books about him also, he is one of few names i have studyed.

Freemasons Freemasonry web site is reconised http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/
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Willow

As you will know Masonry is veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols

There are many who philosophise about Masonry as a means of progressing their understanding. But they may not be successful despite writing many books of their philosophsing

You may recall Blavatsky who founded Theosophy. She wrote in the 1890s that no Masonic lodge still retained the genuine secrets. That may well have been true then as well as now

In the Christian context philosophising about meaning is called theology. And there is lots of that and it seems to change over the decades. But that does not mean that Christ is not present on occasion during the services

Cheers

R
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[Mike Martin]

I do hope that you realise that I am in no way having a "go" at you but I am only questoning the basis of your own personal knowledge of Freemasonry.

You have been fed disnfo by sites that selectively misquote a handful of (mainly) American or "fringe" Masons.

I think that for you to get the real picture you would need to read a bit wider. For example the first book I read about Freemasonry was "The Brotherhood" by Stephen Knight back in 1983 and I (believe it or not) started off as an Anti-Mason. He told me all about their devil worship, corruption, KGB infiltration etc, and I believed it.

Fortunately, the next book I got my hands on was "the Freemason's Guide and Compendium" which gave me an exactly opposite view of what Freemasonry was all about. That was how my own Library of over 200 Masonic titles started. It is also why I joined some 11 years later.

Mike

[Mike Martin]

[andria]

I guess that means Joe wins lol
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[andria]

I don’t think books are a reliable source to find out about freemasonry because most of the time the authors are freemasons, and therefore cant give you any information other than disinformation, I think Hitler once said the bigger the lie, the more believable it is, just like that episode of father ted, when ted kicks the bishop up the arse but because it was so unbelievable the bishop couldn’t believe it until one day the penny finally dropped.
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