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There is but one sin, Thou shalt honour the call of the father......Think On it and its true meaning and significance.
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thug53
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| The Holy Bible and Torah destroyed by Freemasons.And thus Allah create the Quran and send Prophet Mohammed.Look Quran for be able to understand. |
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Child-of-Light
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There is but one sin, Thou shalt honour the call of the father......Think On it and its true meaning and significance.
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ResLight
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: Russel and the Freemasons |
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| Child-of-Light wrote: |
This is the grave of Charles Taze Russell the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses. |
Charles Taze Russell was not the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization. Russell did not believe in such an authoritarian organization; it was Joseph Rutherford, who, after Russell died, used the legal entity, the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, to form a "new organization" which he later called "Jehovah's Witnesses."
http://ctr.reslight.net/category/jehovahs-witnesses
| Child-of-Light wrote: |
I wonder what organisations he was a member of? |
We know he was not a member of the Freemasons' organization.
I have never been a Mason. -- Quoted from Russell's sermon: The Temple of God.
| Child-of-Light wrote: |
Note the logo on top of the pyramid grave... |
There is no pyramid grave in the Rosemont United Cemetery. There is a pyramid monument that was constructed by Rutherford in the middle of the WTS plot in that cemetery a few years after Russell died, but it is is not a grave, nor a tomb. It was designed to be a monument to God's witness in the middle of Egypt. Although Rutherford claimed that Russell had desired for such a monument to be built, I highly doubt that such an idea came from Russell.
http://ctr.reslight.net/category/pyramidology
The emblem of the cross and crown is similar to such emblems that have been used by many denominations and churches for centuries. Many wish to imply something sinister about that emblem since the Knights Templar also use a similar emblem, and due to that usage, some have even claimed the cross and crown symbol as used to be Russell to be a "Masonic" symbol, and proof that Russell is Masonic. Of course, the idea is ridiculous to any who are genuinely familiar with Russell's works. It is like saying that anyone who uses the Bible is a member of the Masons because the Knights Templar use the Bible, or that sun, moon and stars that in the skies above are also Masonic because Masons make use of images of sun, moon and stars in their rituals. Indeed, much that is implied to this post would seem to be suggesting the Bible itself, at least as we now have it, is a Masonic book.
Of course, many confuse the Knights Templar, which is an organization of professed Christians who are also Masons, with the Masonic organization as a whole. One can, however, be a member of the Masons and be a Muslim, a Jew, or any other religion; on the other hand, to be a member of the Knights Templar, one has to be a member of the Masons who also profess Christianity.
Nevertheless, Russell used the cross and crown emblem to represent the Biblical idea of taking up one's cross, suffering with Christ in order to receive the crown of joint-heirship with Jesus. -- Matthew 10:38; 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23; Romans 8:17; Revelation 3:21.
There is no evidence that Russell used that symbol as a "Masonic" symbol, or a "Knights Templar" symbol. It is certainly no evidence that he was a Mason; indeed, Russell directly stated that he was not a member of that organization.
Likewise, Russell's belief in the Great Pyramid as being the witness of God in Egypt was purely Biblical, and is not all a result of anything that the Masons might consider of the Great Pyramid.
For more on Russell and the Freemasons, see:
http://ctr.reslight.net/category/freemaons
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ResLight
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:34 am Post subject: Russell and the Freemasons |
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| Child-of-Light wrote: | :lol: anything off of "http://ctr.reslight.net/" is PROPAGANDA through and through...... The cross and the crown symbol can ALWAYS be traced back to the knights templar either through those who funded the building of the churches or affiliated organisations. Your website is just more propaganda and disinfo. :lol: Anyone can see that for them selves.
All you are doing is arguing with info from YOUR own website.
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I give facts from Russell's own writings, and produce what he did say from his own writings, and you call it disinfo. Many give what Russell did not teach, insinuations, imaginations, assumptions, etc., and wish people to believe these as fact. Many will promote what they imagine and assume to be fact as "fact," and not accept true facts that conflict with their imagined "facts." But these matters are permitted to be since it is not yet due time for the revealing of truth to the world to take place.
Nevertheless, I have studied Russell's writings for more than 40 years. Being thoroughly familiar with the works of Russell, I absolutely know beyond any shadow of doubt that Russell never used the cross and crown emblem in an effort to supposedly sabotage his life work in some alleged secret scheme to support the Masonic goals, whatever one might fancy those goals to be. That idea is truly laughable, and thousands of Bible Students from many parts of the world who are familiar with Russell's writings would agree with this. Indeed, when I mentioned at the Bible Students General Convention several years ago that many were claiming that Russell was a Freemason, the idea produced a lot of laughter at such a nonsensical, ridiculous idea. Only those who are not genuinely familiar with Russell's writings would fall for such an idea that Russell was writing his writings to secretively support what he his writings openly did not actually support.
One other point is that the cross and crown symbology used by the Knights Templar is not exactly the same as that used by Russell.
| Child-of-Light wrote: | You're just as bad as the Mormons with their sacred udergarments.....
Using the same symbol as annother organisation that you are not affiliated with is a bit like a civilian donning hells angels "colours" it just don't happen my good man. |
Since Russell never used the exact "same symbol" as the Knights Templar organization, the above is irrelevant.
I have no idea what hells angels "colours" are, or if I may have ever worn them. If I have, it certainly does not make me one these "hells angels" -- whoever or whatever this term is used in reference to.
Years ago, I bought some socks of a certain color because they were on sale (I believe white, but, thinking back, I am not sure what the color was). Someone told me that homosexuals wore that color to identify themselves to other homosexuals. I thought that was silly; I certainly wasn't wearing the color for that purpose, nor did stop wearing the color because of that nonsense type of reasoning.
Here are some comments directly from what Russell himself said concerning the Freemasons:
Watch Tower June 15, 1895
R1827 : page 143
| Quote: | In our judgment the majority of "secret societies" are merely beneficiary and have no secret schemes antagonistic to the general public welfare, the secret rites and ceremonies being merely "boys' play," occupying the time and attention of persons who have no greater aims than those which pertain to the present life. We note, however, that several Roman Catholic Societies seem to have schemes connected with the use of fire-arms, and are therefore to be classed as malevolent rather than benevolent.
We note also that the Order of Free Masons, if judged by its past history, has some secret object or scheme, more than fraternity and financial aid in time of sickness or death. And, so far as we can judge, there is a certain amount of profane worship or mummery connected with the rites of this order and some others, which the members do not comprehend, but which, in many cases, serves to satisfy the cravings of the natural mind for worship, and thus hinders it from seeking the worship of God in spirit and in truth--through Christ, the only appointed Mediator and Grand Master.
In proportion as such societies consume valuable time in foolish, senseless rites and ceremonies, and in substituting the worship of their officers, and the use of words and symbols which have no meaning to them, for the worship of God, in his appointed way -- through Christ, and according to knowledge and the spirit of a sound mind -- in that proportion these societies are grievous evils, regardless of the financial gains or losses connected with membership in them. |
The New Creation, pages 580, 581:
| Quote: | This brings before us the whole question of orders, societies, etc., and what privileges the New Creation has in connection with such organizations. Is it right for them to be members of these societies? We answer that while Church associations are purely religious, and labor and beneficial organizations in general are purely secular, there are still other orders which combine the religious and the secular features. As we understand the matter, for instance, the Free Masons, Odd Fellows, Knights of Pythias, etc., perform certain rites and ceremonies of a religious kind. Let it be understood that we are not waging any warfare upon those who hold membership in these various orders, even as we are not waging warfare against the various sectarian religious systems. We place upon one level all of those which have any religious ceremonies, teachings, etc., and consider them all as parts of Babylon, some quarters or wards of which are cleaner, and others less clean, but all, nevertheless, full of confusion, error--contrary to the divine intention, as displayed in the organization of the primitive Church and the instructions, by word and example, given to it by the inspired Founder, and his twelve apostles.
We admonish the New Creation to have nothing whatever to do with any of these semi-religious societies, clubs, orders, churches; but to "Come out from amongst them, and be ye separate, and touch not the unclean thing." (2 Cor. 6:17) Their things, their worship, their teachings, their doctrines, are unclean to us, though they may not be unclean to themselves. The eyes of our understanding have been opened, and now to us all things appear in a new light, so that things which we once loved now we hate, and things which we once hated now we love. |
What Pastor Russell Said
Question 317:2 (1910)
| Quote: | I am not judging at all, I am merely saying, so far as I can tell. But my understanding is, that all of these are bundles, and each bundle is getting tighter. Some of you know a great deal more about Freemasonry than I do, and I am not here to say anything against it, because I do not know anything to say, and I do not know as I would say it if I did know it. The Lord did not send me to preach against Masonry or Odd Fellowship, nor against Presbyterianism or Methodism. Our opportunity is to tell the truth, to preach the true gospel of Christ, and the Lord says that this message is to have its effects on the different hearts. Now, if you find yourself in any kind of a bundle, you know that is not the program so far as the wheat is concerned. The wheat is to he gathered into the garner; it is not to be put into bundles in the present life. The wheat is to be free. If you find yourself in any kind of a bundle, better get out of the bundle. Trust in the Lord, and be in harmony with Him, and this will take you out of all kinds of bundles and human organizations, I believe.
I should, perhaps, say a cautionary word here to the effect that I would understand this would mean, for instance, that if I were a carpenter I would prefer to be at liberty, but if it were demanded of me that I should join a union before I could have work, and that I must pay so much of my money into that union's coffers, I should join. I should understand that I was making so much of a contribution to the general weal of the carpenters, and I would have no hesitation in the matter, because there is nothing of a religious kind there. There is nothing that would fetter my heart or mind. But if that organization should do anything I could not approve, I would feel perfectly free to withdraw at any time. So I would make that limitation. But, so far as wheat and tares are concerned, I think there are plenty of bundles all around you, and I notice, too, that these different worldly organizations, if we may so call them in contradistinction to church organizations, are also taking the same methods the church people are taking. It used to be very easy to withdraw from one of the churches and you could say, "I will thank you for a letter," and then they would take the letter and never deposit it, but burn it up, if they desired. And so with the Masons; they had a method by which anyone desiring to leave the order could ask for a demit and he would get that without any particular question. I have been informed that now this is changed somewhat. If you are a Presbyterian, and you wish a letter, they say, "To which church do you wish the letter addressed?" You say, "Oh, just make it out anyway." "Oh we do not do that now; we will give you a letter to a certain, particular church and it is to he deposited there--good when deposited there." And so I am informed that our Freemason friends are doing the same thing; they do not give demits now. If you wish to be transferred to another lodge they will transfer you, but they do not give demits now in the same way they formerly did.
A Brother: Brother Russell, I am a Mason and, unfortunately, hold a high position in the order, and I would like to make a little correction on that. A Mason is perfectly free to leave when he feels so disposed. No restraint whatever is placed upon him.
Brother Russell: I told you in the beginning that I did not know about it myself; I was only relating what a brother told me.
Another Brother: I was a Mason in a different jurisdiction from that of the brother. It may he all right in his particular jurisdiction, but it is not the same in other jurisdictions, as I know.
Brother Russell: You will notice that we never have anything to say against any of these. We have not said an unkind word about Freemasonry, and you never read anything unkind that we have ever said about it, and I do not wish to say anything unkind about Presbyterianism, or Methodism. I think that many of the dear friends in these denominations are good people, and I appreciate their characters. What I talk about sometimes is Presbyterian doctrine, and they talk about it, too. And I have read things they have said about Presbyterian doctrines far harder than anything I have ever said. I sometimes quote in the Watch Tower some things Presbyterians say about their own doctrine, and I occasionally quote in the Watch Tower something the Methodists say about their doctrine, because they say it stronger than I should wish to say it. |
To search Russell's own works regarding the Freemasons:
http://ctr.reslight.net/2009/11/29/search-freemasons.html
| Child-of-Light wrote: | | Stick to believing that God dwealt within a stone of bethel and a little golden box in solomon's temple if thats what works for you and good luck with that |
I am not sure what this is about; are you saying that Solomon and the House of David were Knight's Templar, or that Moses, Joshua, David and others of the Old Testament times belonged to the Freemasons' organization?
At any rate, I will indeed stick to belief in the Son of the Man, David, the one who died to redeem you and me from the death condemnation through Adam. (Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22: 1 Timothy 2:5,6)
It may not yet be due time for God to reveal this you, but in due time you will understand when the seed of Abraham blesses all nations of the earth (Genesis 28:14), when the knowledge of Yahweh, the God and Father of Yeshua (Ephesians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3), fills the earth. -- Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:9; 25:6-9. |
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arcee100
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| Child-of-Light wrote: | | ...This must be were Jahbulon went on his holidays... |
Leaving aside the usual nonsense about Jahbulon (if you read the Epic of Gilgamesh you will easily see the origin of the word) Zechariah Sitchin provides a reasonably good match of gods around the world including time coincidence of a particular god disappearing from the Middle East and appearing in South America.
Of course they did not go for holidays but to extract gold.
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Joseph Christie
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| Child-of-Light wrote: | 
I would rather concentrate on the symbol of the three headed serpent at the top of this pic thanks. Three heads on one body....ALLEGORY.
I don't think that your explanation on this one holds up especially when you see the temple of Baal located in Palmyra. No offence Intended to you RPH.
But then lucifer has annother identity also
AS TO >Ultimately one must ask why the sons of the gods would use such a ritual. Well the sons of which one of the gods exactly....
Genesis - Chapter 4
1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
ALLEGORY.......Eve had congress with the serpent.
FOR FURTHER EXPLANATION SEE POST
"The Big Secret of The Masonic Religion of Jahbulon"
Regards as always.
B.T.W what is that at the right hand of the Great Architect that issues forth the dust? |
Amazing info, thanks. |
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