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TonyGosling · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject:

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TonyGosling · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject:

Thanks to Chris North for this

(a) If Freemasonry is not a "religion", why are so many Freemasonry "lodges" called "Temples"?

(b) Why does every Lodge/Temple contain an altar?

(c) Whom are Freemasons referring to in the title "Great Architect of the Universe"?

Whether or not we, as individuals, choose to believe that Lucifer/Satan actually exists is immaterial if Freemasons and other Satanists do. The power of evil lies as much in its ability to control others by uniting them in fear or mutual guilt, as in the actual source of that evil.

Unclebarney · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject:

a) Freemasonry is NOT a religion, it is an organisation which accepts people of monotheistic faiths. If it was a religion then masons would be 'converted', this is not the case.

b) why do most HOSPITALS contain an altar? People like to worship, what's the problem?

c) 'the great architect of the universe', seriously man, this is a no-brainer, it refers to God, Allah or whatever other name you wish to call the big fella in the sky.

rusty100 · Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 20

>(a) If Freemasonry is not a "religion", why are so many Freemasonry "lodges" called "Temples"?

We know Freemasonry is not a religion because it is attended by Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims etc. It permits each to follow their own conception of God.

The use of the term temple is likely to be fairly recent - post 1717 (perhaps someone has a reference for that) and for the last decades (in Australia at least) the buildings are referred to as Masonic Centres to avoid offending those who are concerned with naming of buildings

>(b) Why does every Lodge/Temple contain an altar?

An interesting question. My own suspicion is that it was introduced by Anglicans as I am not sure that it exists in the earliest depictions of ritual some of which were around a large table. (Anyone able to offer any help on that)

>(c) Whom are Freemasons referring to in the title "Great Architect of the Universe"?

Another good question. And the answer is very largely unknown.

Arguably it is a composite from:

- Toth the Great Architect in Egypt
- Pythagoras with sacred geometry
- God as creator
- Blake's depiction of The Ancient of Days
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/b/blake/ancient.jpg

This then allows brethren from a variety of religious backgrounds to use the name without feeling that their particular beliefs about God are incompatible with the lodge

Thus the lodge allows freedom of belief

Cheers

R
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willow the wip · Trustworthy Freedom Fighter Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 199

Since Freemasonry has a plan of salvation it is absurd to deny that Freemasonry is a religion.

Many Masons deny that Freemasonry is a religion because if they were to admit it, they would not be accepted as Christians and church members.

Other Masons are so blinded by Satan that they cannot see the truth.

Freemasonry teaches men to imitate Hiram Abiff, so that they may get into heaven. The Gospel of Jesus Christ requires faith in the person and claims of Jesus Christ as the means of being redeemed from the death of sin and getting into heaven.

The Christian Mason is faced with a real dilemma. Can a man have two saviors? Can he have a vital faith in Jesus Christ, as he imitates Hiram Abiff? Can he avoid being found guilty of taking part in the promotion of a false plan of salvation?

Consider Matthew 7:22-23 and Galatians 1:8-9

What will Jesus say?

Who else’s opinion is really going to matter?
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Christ over Christianity.

Bondi · Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 55 Location: United Kingdom

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Mike Martin · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:59 am Post subject:

Hangedman · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject:

Your coat of arms have two "Cherubs" ( your choice of words) on apparently, as described on this site.

http://www.ugle.org.uk/ugle/coatof-arms.htm

These Cherubs have cloven hoof. I thought cloven hoof was pertaining to the devil or am i mistaken? In your coat of arms you have Cherubs and cloven hoof but you are not a religion? Can you explain to me why these very significantly religious images are not religious in any way? Why not just have two Jackasses for example instead of such obviously religious imagery? Strange way for a non religious cult to portray itself.

rph · Banned Joined: 10 May 2008 Posts: 120

"I thought cloven hoof was pertaining to the devil or am i mistaken?"

And sheep

Hangedman · Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:42 am Post subject:

That isn't what freemasonry think about it's flock, surely not?

rph · Banned Joined: 10 May 2008 Posts: 120

I think flock refers to Christians

Hangedman · Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject:

Why do you have church like seating in a lodge (pews)? And why do you sing religious songs during a meeting? Someone told me "We plough the fields and scatter", is strongly masonic, but why would a Hymn be important to masons if they are not a religion? You do sing religious themed songs in lodge meetings, or am i mistaken?

Forgive me, instead of flock, perhaps i should have used " Satans little helpers"

rph · Banned Joined: 10 May 2008 Posts: 120

>Why do you have church like seating in a lodge (pews)?

I have heard that about half of Anglican clergy are Masons

Perhaps the churches are copying the lodges in providing cheap seating

I think you are on to something there